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Post by neiln on Tue 20 Oct - 21:32

I'm working on a race-by-race carset for the 1985 season using primarily the cars from Pedro Ripping Corpse's GP4 mod. I've hit a snag with the Tolemans: there are two basic liveries for Fabi's #19 car that I've completed (attached below)--Pedro is often inaccurate in the collection of national flags--but I've found in Wookey's collection of photos for '85 that Toleman appears to have taken the two different #19 cars to virtually every race. (One, from Monaco, has the U.S. flag on the right side of the cockpit; the second, probably used in the next race at Montreal, replaces it with the Soviet flag; for the rest of the season there are only minor variations.) The pictures in the pits don't help with which livery was actually used in the race, of course, and in the pictures from the track (with the exception of one at Nurburgring) it's difficult to tell the difference between practice/qualifying and the race. I'm hoping someone's better than me at detecting the difference, or has access to an archive of photos I haven't been able to find (and I've been all over the Internet). In the past I've watched races at youtube and sometimes been able to figure out liveries, but the flags on the Toleman don't show up at all in the blurry videos there.

So the question is which #19 livery was actually used in the race from Detroit to Silverstone and Spa to Adelaide? (Fabi missed the three races after Germany.




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Post by Cristian Luis on Fri 23 Oct - 0:22

neiln wrote:I'm working on a race-by-race carset for the 1985 season using primarily the cars from Pedro Ripping Corpse's GP4 mod. I've hit a snag with the Tolemans: there are two basic liveries for Fabi's #19 car that I've completed (attached below)--Pedro is often inaccurate in the collection of national flags--but I've found in Wookey's collection of photos for '85 that Toleman appears to have taken the two different #19 cars to virtually every race. (One, from Monaco, has the U.S. flag on the right side of the cockpit; the second, probably used in the next race at Montreal, replaces it with the Soviet flag; for the rest of the season there are only minor variations.) The pictures in the pits don't help with which livery was actually used in the race, of course, and in the pictures from the track (with the exception of one at Nurburgring) it's difficult to tell the difference between practice/qualifying and the race. I'm hoping someone's better than me at detecting the difference, or has access to an archive of photos I haven't been able to find (and I've been all over the Internet). In the past I've watched races at youtube and sometimes been able to figure out liveries, but the flags on the Toleman don't show up at all in the blurry videos there.

So the question is which #19 livery was actually used in the race from Detroit to Silverstone and Spa to Adelaide? (Fabi missed the three races after Germany.




Toleman TG185 in Detroit: http://i.imgur.com/eZFiWx6.jpg
Toleman TG185 in Silverstone: http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/69410658.jpg
Toleman TG185 in Spa: http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4edbshsRs1rop3ldo1_1280.jpg
Toleman TG185 in Brands Hatch: http://www.autolimite.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/15_Teo-Fabi_Toleman-TG185_GP-Europa-2015_Brands-Hatch-1024x680.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6118/6314704894_a0d2423174_b.jpg
Toleman TG185 in Kyalami (small pic): http://counter-x.net/f1/1985/review/team/toleman.jpg
Toleman TG185 in Adelaide: http://www.narrywoolan.com.au/motor-racing/images/adelaide-1985-page-2/AGP%201985-077_g6i10.jpg

Bonus: Toleman TG185's rear: http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/other/1211306684/1211306684lm.jpg

Hope it helps.

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Post by Cristian Luis on Fri 23 Oct - 0:26

This could help you, also, but in other manners.

http://counter-x.net/f1/1985/review/team/index.html

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Re: Need help identifying correct 1985 Toleman liveries

Post by neiln on Sat 24 Oct - 1:16

Thank you very much! I'm satisfied with what I figured out for Silverstone and Nurburgring, but I'm really struggling with Monza and after for Fabi, not that Ghinzani's going to be much easier. It would be easier if the collection of flags on each car was identical at each race, but as far as I can tell that's not the case.

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